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  1. It must be an error in reasoning not a factual error.
  2. It must be commonly applied to an argument either in the form of the argument or in the interpretation of the argument.
  3. It must be deceptive in that it often fools the average adult.

Therefore, we will define a logical fallacy as a concept within argumentation that commonly leads to an error in reasoning due to the deceptive nature of its presentation. Logical fallacies can comprise fallacious arguments that contain one or more non-factual errors in their form or deceptive arguments that often lead to fallacious reasoning in their evaluation.

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middle ground
Wed, Nov 14, 2018 - 02:05 AM

"Middle Ground/Golden Means"

I believe I have just been majorly slapped in the face with the "middle ground" fallacy.

Youtube is launching a series of videos called Creators for Change. I went to see what all the hubbub was about when I found two certain videos that got my blood boiling. These two videos discussed whether or not Palestinians and Israelis, as well Trump supporters and immigrants, could compromise.

This greatly offends me as an autistic asexual panromantic because I have fought tooth and nail against a religious monopoly on who gets to sleep with who and who gets to raise children. It has to be clear by now that the Trump supporters, supporters of a fully blown Nazi, and Israelis, Zionist apartheid supporters, both want to completely obliterate the other two if not each other. I have been betrayed by many homosexuals who have bought into the idea of nationalism, I should also add.

It sounds to me like the only way to achieve a compromise is by accepting that I am a lesser human being who doesn't deserve the same quality of life as everyone else unless I conform.



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Michael Chase Walker
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Michael Chase Walker is an actor, author, screenwriter, producer, and a former adjunct lecturer for the College of Santa Fe Moving Images Department, and Dreamworks Animation. His first motion picture was the animated classic, The Last Unicorn.
Michael was an in-house television writer for the hit television series: He-Man, She-Ra, Voltron, and V, the Series. In 1985, he was appointed Director of Children's programs for CBS Entertainment where he conceived, shaped and supervised the entire 1985 Saturday Morning line-up: Wildfire, Pee Wee's Playhouse, Galaxy High School, Teen Wolf, and over 10
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See Dr. Bo's List of Fallacies:

Identity Fallacy
(also known as: identity politics)

Description: When one's argument is evaluated based on their physical or social identity, i.e., their social class, generation, ethnic group, gender or sexual orientation, profession, occupation or subgroup when the strength of the argument is independent of identity.

Logical Form:

Person 1 makes argument X.
Person 2 dismisses argument X because of the physical or social identity of person 1.
Example #1:

S.J. Sam: Asian people in this country are systematically passed over in the tech field for non-Asians.
Cindy: Actually, according to most research, employers are biased in favor of Asian technical workers.
S.J. Sam: Unless you are Asian, keep your mouth shut. You can't possibly know the struggles of the Asian community!
Explanation: S.J. Sam is making an empirical claim about a hiring preference for non-Asians. Cindy has refuted the claim that is independent of her physical or social identity (i.e., her ability to refute the argument is not dependent upon her being Asian). S.J. Sam rejects her rebuttal because she is not Asian. In addition, he pulls a red herring by changing the argument to "knowing the struggles" of the Asian community.


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Print Wed, Nov 14, 2018 - 09:04 AM
This sounds like a Hasty Generalization. Trump supporters are not cut from the same cloth; some have different viewpoints. The same is true for immigrants, Israelis, and Palestinians. (One area where this is less true is that Palestinians have in their charter the goal of the destruction of Israel. There are still Palestinians who disagree with this notion, but it is a part of their identification.)

You are not a lesser human being. You are a different human being. For what it's worth, my son has Asperger's Syndrome. He also has many traits that I wish I had and I wish others had. Compromise involves asking your counterpart to relax some of his beliefs, and in exchange, you will relax some of yours.

People's opinions only affect you if they are codified into law. Believing one way, yet allowing others to act in a different way, is a cornerstone of the American ideal. I wish more leaders would see it that way.


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Jim Tarsi
Thursday, November 15, 2018 - 01:47:51 PM
@Michael Chase Walker: I don't know. The original videos discussed Israelis and Palestinians, Trump supporters and immigrants. He took it upon himself to identify his practices and said of himself he needs to see himself as a lesser human being. Perhaps a similar argument had been made about autistic people and pansexual people, but he didn't present it. (Full disclosure: I haven't seen the videos he was talking about - I do know they're there - so I can't properly discuss their content.)

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Jim Tarsi
Thursday, November 15, 2018 - 08:55:11 AM
@Michael Chase Walker: I don't think anyone except Taylor (the writer) is suggesting his opinion is less because of who he is. Does that still make it a hasty generalization, when the person hearing the argument generalizes, and not the person making the argument?

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Michael Chase Walker
Thursday, November 15, 2018 - 12:30:21 PM
His argument says otherwise: "This greatly offends me as an autistic asexual panromantic because I have fought tooth and nail against a religious monopoly on who gets to sleep with who and who gets to raise children."

This is clearly an argument from identity and can be readily dismissed as such. If he wants to reframe the question we might have something further to consider. but as it is now it's basically an irrelevant thesis.

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